Stop compairing this to the iPhone! When you do that, you get a bad review. Just review the iPod Touch. Or compair it to other iPods. Everyone's is expecting it to be another iPhone, which it is not.
Why shouldn't customers demand the absolute best product for thier money? Lying down and accepting whatever they give you is exactly what Apple have been expecting people to do with this latest generation of iPods and it's been a big disappointment.
As iPod it's less useful that other iPods because of crap capacity (video device? c'mon...) and low battery, so for 400$ bucks I'd like to have at least a minimal pda (translation: nuke that crappy Calendar and give me full version).
Quit calling it "Widescreen". 3:2, though turns out to be great for this application, is no native widescreen format. Look it up. In the future, please refer to it as "Wider screen" :)
Ok, let's compare it to the other ipods. It's incredibly expensive, and the only difference is the wireless itunes music store/safari/bigger screen. Now, I don't know about you guys in the states, but here in aus, our wireless coverage is bugger all. More to the point, I don't even use the itunes music store. So really, I'm paying twice the price for the same thing with a bigger, fancier screen.
For something that has an entire operating system on it, it doesn't seem to do a lot of "operating".
How hypocritical. If it compared favorably to the iPhone then these people would be bragging "it's exactly like an iPhone without a phone" but because it is clearly missing much more than a phone then it's "comparing it to the iPhone is unfair. It's an iPod dummy."
This isn't about comparing product names, this is about comparing products. And it's very clear the Touch is closer related to the iPhone than the iPod so comparisons are essential if you're going to properly describe what this can and CANT do.
I've read about 8 or 9 reviews of the iPod touch, and have found that they fall into two categories:
The first are reviews that look at it as a product in its own right, and review it as an iPod. There are always comments on features that could be added, or are missed, but generally, reviews that look at it for what it is as a product bearing the name iPod are almost always good, giving it a rating of 4 stars or higher.
The second are reviews that really just compare it to the iPhone. These reviews have some positive comments about improvements made, but are generally negative, often giving it 3 stars or less.
Frankly, I've found that those in the latter category always sound like they are trying to justify their iPhone purchase. That's fine, but it's not very helpful to prospective buyers, especially those in countries that don't have the iPhone, or to people who don't want to sign up with AT+T.
I think your right on...you cant demand the same apps from a pmp as you would a quasi-smartphone...I have an iphone and i love it....however, if the touch came out first and had maybe 30gb of storage capacity (which would increase the price dramaticly) it would have been a MUCH bigger hit
The Touch has video out, compared to the iPhone's lack of it. And when do you people stop whining about stuff that can be handled by a simple update as if it was unchangeable
No we should compare it to the iphone. Why you ask. Because the 8gb iphone is only $100 more. Meaning the only big difference between the two should be the phone part.
The new touch is just not up to par with the iphone. First, it should have all of the capabilities of the iphone.
Where's the bluetooth? Goodness BestBuy's Insigina mp3s sport bluetooth and they are junkie players.
Why have the touch keyboard and not able to make entries and changes to iCal/ Yet you can add contacts. Makes no sense.
Yes, it's impressive and yes it's slick and thin. But am not sallow. I need something to work awesome off the bat before i commit my hard earn cash to buy it.
If all i want is a video and mp3 player. I would get an Archos 605 with twice the capabilities at a lesser price. Also the Archos knows it's place...its a media player and nothing more. The iTouch claims to be more then a media player and does everything okay and not great.
The truth is most of you won't care if I make sense or listen to engadget's review. Am glad you guys are rich enough to throw away your money. But for the poor people like me. Wait.
But if you really want one. For $100 more buy the iphone with no service. At least you will have bluetooth and more.
lol, U.S. Americans. Nice throwback to dummy from SC.
Basically Apple screwed up, it's getting greedy, included less features on a product which has an OS and should be able to handle more. This product needed increased capacity, similar iPhone functionality, improved design (get rid of the freaking shiny back!), bluetooth.
Just a few small things that could've been easily done. And stop being greedy Apple! Or we'll start referring to you as AppleSoft.
how about expandable memory slots, when will they finally add that to these players. I love the UI, but the hardware and the limitations in files types is a killer. Archos is a better player in my book and with their newly signed deal for downloadable videos and music it will be as competative as the iPod.
After reading many, many ipod touch and iphone reviews online, and the long, long list of gripes and features 'demanded' on /. ('What Do You Want In iPhone 2.0' / http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/07/09/21/2020206.shtml), it boils down to one point for me:
Steve didn't want this--the 'phone-less iphone', the touch--to be viewed as a PDA.
Expanded media slots? Exchange-support? Mobile email? GPS? iRDA? Open File Systems? Etc? Steve killed the Newton. I own several. They're great. But he didn't want it then, and he dosen't seem to want it now--or at the very least, this isn't it. Perhaps something is in the works, and they don't want this to be seen as their foray into the PDA format while they work on the real deal.
Lets not forget, for the most part, we're comparing smart phones vs personal media players.
just hack your itouch (jail break). That solves all the issues stated in this review except hardware buttons. Its easy, it allows you to put on iphone apps, emulators, themes, games, etc. Pretty much what ever you want, you got.
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Stop compairing this to the iPhone! When you do that, you get a bad review. Just review the iPod Touch. Or compair it to other iPods. Everyone's is expecting it to be another iPhone, which it is not.
Why shouldn't customers demand the absolute best product for thier money? Lying down and accepting whatever they give you is exactly what Apple have been expecting people to do with this latest generation of iPods and it's been a big disappointment.
"Or compair it to other iPods"
Which one, 160Gb iPod Classic?
As iPod it's less useful that other iPods because of crap capacity (video device? c'mon...) and low battery, so for 400$ bucks I'd like to have at least a minimal pda (translation: nuke that crappy Calendar and give me full version).
Also a good video showing that the Touch screen problems.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nYxlrsReUEU
Quit calling it "Widescreen". 3:2, though turns out to be great for this application, is no native widescreen format. Look it up. In the future, please refer to it as "Wider screen" :)
Ok, let's compare it to the other ipods. It's incredibly expensive, and the only difference is the wireless itunes music store/safari/bigger screen. Now, I don't know about you guys in the states, but here in aus, our wireless coverage is bugger all. More to the point, I don't even use the itunes music store. So really, I'm paying twice the price for the same thing with a bigger, fancier screen.
For something that has an entire operating system on it, it doesn't seem to do a lot of "operating".
How hypocritical. If it compared favorably to the iPhone then these people would be bragging "it's exactly like an iPhone without a phone" but because it is clearly missing much more than a phone then it's "comparing it to the iPhone is unfair. It's an iPod dummy."
This isn't about comparing product names, this is about comparing products. And it's very clear the Touch is closer related to the iPhone than the iPod so comparisons are essential if you're going to properly describe what this can and CANT do.
Although I do not own one, it is my understanding that you essentially have no video out with the touch, isn't that a giant step backwards.
--Doug
I 100% agree with you [Daniel]
I've read about 8 or 9 reviews of the iPod touch, and have found that they fall into two categories:
The first are reviews that look at it as a product in its own right, and review it as an iPod. There are always comments on features that could be added, or are missed, but generally, reviews that look at it for what it is as a product bearing the name iPod are almost always good, giving it a rating of 4 stars or higher.
The second are reviews that really just compare it to the iPhone. These reviews have some positive comments about improvements made, but are generally negative, often giving it 3 stars or less.
Frankly, I've found that those in the latter category always sound like they are trying to justify their iPhone purchase. That's fine, but it's not very helpful to prospective buyers, especially those in countries that don't have the iPhone, or to people who don't want to sign up with AT+T.
I think your right on...you cant demand the same apps from a pmp as you would a quasi-smartphone...I have an iphone and i love it....however, if the touch came out first and had maybe 30gb of storage capacity (which would increase the price dramaticly) it would have been a MUCH bigger hit
I would feel like you had a point, if Apple didn't almost directly copy the OS from the iphone and then purposefully crippled the touch.
The Touch has video out, compared to the iPhone's lack of it.
And when do you people stop whining about stuff that can be handled by a simple update as if it was unchangeable
No we should compare it to the iphone. Why you ask. Because the 8gb iphone is only $100 more. Meaning the only big difference between the two should be the phone part.
The new touch is just not up to par with the iphone. First, it should have all of the capabilities of the iphone.
Where's the bluetooth? Goodness BestBuy's Insigina mp3s sport bluetooth and they are junkie players.
Why have the touch keyboard and not able to make entries and changes to iCal/ Yet you can add contacts. Makes no sense.
Yes, it's impressive and yes it's slick and thin. But am not sallow. I need something to work awesome off the bat before i commit my hard earn cash to buy it.
If all i want is a video and mp3 player. I would get an Archos 605 with twice the capabilities at a lesser price. Also the Archos knows it's place...its a media player and nothing more. The iTouch claims to be more then a media player and does everything okay and not great.
The truth is most of you won't care if I make sense or listen to engadget's review. Am glad you guys are rich enough to throw away your money. But for the poor people like me. Wait.
But if you really want one. For $100 more buy the iphone with no service. At least you will have bluetooth and more.
lol, U.S. Americans. Nice throwback to dummy from SC.
Basically Apple screwed up, it's getting greedy, included less features on a product which has an OS and should be able to handle more. This product needed increased capacity, similar iPhone functionality, improved design (get rid of the freaking shiny back!), bluetooth.
Just a few small things that could've been easily done. And stop being greedy Apple! Or we'll start referring to you as AppleSoft.
how about expandable memory slots, when will they finally add that to these players. I love the UI, but the hardware and the limitations in files types is a killer. Archos is a better player in my book and with their newly signed deal for downloadable videos and music it will be as competative as the iPod.
http://www.mp4nation.com/products/index.php?PID=PA20
After reading many, many ipod touch and iphone reviews online, and the long, long list of gripes and features 'demanded' on /. ('What Do You Want In iPhone 2.0' / http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/07/09/21/2020206.shtml), it boils down to one point for me:
Steve didn't want this--the 'phone-less iphone', the touch--to be viewed as a PDA.
Expanded media slots? Exchange-support? Mobile email? GPS? iRDA? Open File Systems? Etc? Steve killed the Newton. I own several. They're great. But he didn't want it then, and he dosen't seem to want it now--or at the very least, this isn't it. Perhaps something is in the works, and they don't want this to be seen as their foray into the PDA format while they work on the real deal.
Lets not forget, for the most part, we're comparing smart phones vs personal media players.
just hack your itouch (jail break). That solves all the issues stated in this review except hardware buttons. Its easy, it allows you to put on iphone apps, emulators, themes, games, etc. Pretty much what ever you want, you got.